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&lt;p&gt;There were just all kinds of things going on around here that revolved around it. So there always was a combination of activism [and art] here. So it’s the bent of the people in the neighborhood and us, in particular, but also the direction of the gallery for a long time. I think it’s kind of a nice marriage, probably not an unusual one.&lt;span id="more-176"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Artists have been involved in political activism for [a long time]. Nonetheless, I always thought that was a good part of it. And, for me, I was probably more interested in that direction, to a certain extent, than the arts. I like looking art, you know, I like art. I have nothing against art. [Laughs] I don’t do it, you know, I probably have less enthusiasm for that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My activism over time became—we sort of all went in different directions—but mine became, over time, sexuality. I took on the mission many years ago to create a more sex-positive world. At least the world that I have any influence over, it in various ways of teaching and clinical work and speaking, just all kinds of stuff, joining organizations and so forth. So I used the gallery a lot for those kinds of activities. And all of us had different areas that we were interested in promoting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob did a lot of his work up there in the gallery, in our building, you know, in terms of promoting physical, emotional and spiritual health, through Eastern wisdom and Tai Chi and so forth. We did Tai Chi classes here for years and did workshops for people up in the gallery for many years, on and on and on. Dennis was involved in a zillion organizations, I can’t even tell you how many. I have a book that lists all of that. [Laughs] But Carol could tell you. So that’s been a nice marriage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When Dennis died, we did a memorial service up in the gallery. And Dennis had directed it, from before he died, but also probably a little bit from the grave, making sure that we all did it just right, just the way that he wanted it to be. One of the things that he wanted people to do—it was a huge gathering, it was a couple hundred people, all smashed into the galley—he wanted everybody to talk about their work in the world. Basically, their activism. And that was really interesting, the way that people see what their role is. You have a passion; you know what I’m talking about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AF: Sure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KT: The archival pieces. It’s nice to have people directed in all kinds of ways.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AF: And the fact your community here, people support each other whatever the overlapping passions that you have?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KT: I think so. Yeah. I think it is. I think it is in really in a sense taking that all seriously, that we all have this important work to do in the world. And although it doesn’t all intersect in a sense, it all forms part of this larger picture. Certainly the work that I do is not what other people see as activism, but it is. It’s a corner of it. Or whatever anybody else does. So yeah, I think there’s a lot of support for it, definitely. And we’ve all been sad to see the gallery go, because that formed the space to make it all happen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AF: Yeah.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KT: But it just became reality and we had to let go of it. So that’s been a big change.&lt;/p&gt;</text>
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              <text>&lt;p&gt;AF: How much do you think that you bought lessons from South Baltimore here, as far as neighborhood and community?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CH: Yeah. For myself, not very much, really.  Because I moved to Baltimore from Annapolis. So I was very involved in the Annapolis community and politics and activism. I was part of a tenants’ rights group in Annapolis. But when I moved to Baltimore, to move in with Dennis, I probably was only in that rowhouse in South Baltimore for just a couple of years before we moved here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But for Dennis, he bought a lot of what he learned. And in fact, when we moved in this neighborhood, Dale Hargrave, who I said, is the current president of New Greenmount West [Community Association], was already living here. And Dennis knew Dale, because Dale did recycling in South Baltimore and was part of the Recycling Coalition that Dennis and others were part of. So he had contacts everywhere. And he brought in our experience—which was his experience, much more than mine—of watching something that was vibrant and mixed and a wonderful soup of people become bland and vanilla. And healthy, I guess, but just… I don’t know.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Life left the streets for us. That’s how he saw it. I’m sure that people living there now don’t feel that way. It’s not to disparage them. But there was something that was there that he truly loved that left. And so he found it here. And he didn’t want to see it leave again. So he tried to figure out what happened in South Baltimore.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Part of it was that a bunch of developers came in and bought up houses. And the community association, I guess, was not prepared for this somehow. So he wanted this community association to be prepared. “Hey, this is going to take off. This is going to take off. Developers are going to show up here.” And they are! He was absolutely right. They’re going to show up here, and we need make sure that they come to the community association. That&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;we know&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;what’s going on in our neighborhood. We had lots of abandon houses here that the City owned. We didn’t want the City just taking them all and selling them to whoever. You know? We wanted to know who they are going to. What are their plans?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So Dennis took that from his experience from COPO [Coalition of Peninsula Organizations]—You know, the coalitions that he had there around community organizations. He was involved with… I can’t remember. Oh, what was it? There was an African American neighborhood that was slated…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AF: Oh. Sharp-Leadenhall.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CH: Sharp-Leadenhall. Dennis was vice president of COPO and therefore was very involved with Sharp-Leadenhall and making sure that community&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;remained&lt;/i&gt;. Because developers were breathing down their necks trying to get that community. And this was affordable public housing. And they just wanted the land, you know? They were seeing dollar [signs].&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And that community won. But they were really organized. And had this woman named Mildred Moon, I believe her name was, who was just an amazing organizer. She was great. And then she had all this other help from other—you know, COPO was a coalition of community organizations—so she had help from other organizations, but she was leading it, and she knew just what do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So he bought a lot, I think, to this neighborhood. I think that the thing that we both bought is social activism, being able to look around and feel like we want to be a part of our community and we want to find out what the community feels it’s lacking and what it might want, and see if we can figure out a way to leverage.&lt;/p&gt;</text>
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